Graphics Tool Needed
Dan Pride (12/1/07 10:24 AM)
julio postigo (12/1/07 12:31 PM)
Adrian Humphreys (12/1/07 5:43 PM)
4D, Inc. (12/3/07 9:32 AM)
Chip Scheide (12/3/07 2:11 PM)
Jim Rietz (12/4/07 5:53 AM)
Arnaud de Montard (12/4/07 9:59 AM)
Dan Pride (12/1/07 10:24 AM)
I am working on an application to manage Archaeology
Digs. I need to track large volumes of broken pottery
in a rapid process ( See Example Photo
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg )
for dating etc.
The method I am using currently is to snap a picture
of the sherds laid out on a white backgbround as they
are read (dated by an experts eye). The capture
process needs to be fast enough to process 100 buckets
or broken pottery per day or so. Thus a single quick
photo click.
Later, after the dig is done, each photo is hand
"Processed" by students drawing a selection rectangle
around each piece and kicking a method by hitting the
space bar. This enables single pictures of each shard
to be created in their own records for later matchup
to pottery archetypes (i.e. Iron age crator etc).
I am looking for a means to to programatically
isolate each fragment (all are sitting on a white
background) and create a jpeg automatically of each in
their own database record. Thus the photo at (
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg ) would
instantly and without effort become 29 records in the
database each with the approprate picture and source
data.
This will be a freeware database so it has to be cheap
as well.
Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
Second level... I want to be able to pic out the color
values in the photo of the shard to assist in the
matchup process with a set of 14000 Bronze and Iron
age pottery archetype photos for categorization, and
also to potentially assist in reconstruction by
locating a missing piece of a rare pot that turned up
for example, two squares over a year ago.
Again Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
Dan Pride
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julio postigo (12/1/07 12:31 PM)
Hello,
Is there a way for the user to make his own form in the Custom
environment? To be used as input form to import records. With field names.
And different types of fields if necessary?
2003.7 WindowsXp
Regards,
Julio
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:22:09 +0000
From: "Pat Bensky" pbensky@...
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The title says it ... the wizard's hat icon is absent and the only option
seems to be to create a blank form. I can't find any mention of this in the
update manual and there is no updated design reference, Where the Form
Properties "I" button used to be there is now a cog-like icon, which doesn't
seem to do anything.
What's the deal?
Pat
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:24:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Pride danielpride@...
I am working on an application to manage Archaeology
Digs. I need to track large volumes of broken pottery
in a rapid process ( See Example Photo
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg )
for dating etc.
The method I am using currently is to snap a picture
of the sherds laid out on a white backgbround as they
are read (dated by an experts eye). The capture
process needs to be fast enough to process 100 buckets
or broken pottery per day or so. Thus a single quick
photo click.
Later, after the dig is done, each photo is hand
"Processed" by students drawing a selection rectangle
around each piece and kicking a method by hitting the
space bar. This enables single pictures of each shard
to be created in their own records for later matchup
to pottery archetypes (i.e. Iron age crator etc).
I am looking for a means to to programatically
isolate each fragment (all are sitting on a white
background) and create a jpeg automatically of each in
their own database record. Thus the photo at (
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg ) would
instantly and without effort become 29 records in the
database each with the approprate picture and source
data.
This will be a freeware database so it has to be cheap
as well.
Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
Second level... I want to be able to pic out the color
values in the photo of the shard to assist in the
matchup process with a set of 14000 Bronze and Iron
age pottery archetype photos for categorization, and
also to potentially assist in reconstruction by
locating a missing piece of a rare pot that turned up
for example, two squares over a year ago.
Again Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
Dan Pride
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Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:24:30 +0100
From: Jens Blomster blomster@...
> set target_pdf to parm1 as text
> set target_pdf to item 1 of parm1 as text
It's me who is guilty of writing that instruction for CallAS that says
you should use the latter syntax.
I did that because the parameters are actually lists with one element.
They are made that way because somebody else had done it before me
(http://www.magicpubs.com/mac/aswidgets/), and did it that way - and
moreover, said it worked best and that he had some trouble with other
variants. I was scared and thought I had to do the same.. But that was
in 1998!
Now I should jump in and explain what happens. But the truth is I havn't
the slightest idea. What's the difference? Has it still something to do
with quoting in strings, or that blank in search path "4D 2004"?
Don't know but it seems that instruction should be updated. Though I
thought I'd never update that any more.
Anyway, glad it worked and thanks Paul.
Best,
Jens Blomster
who once wrote the CallAS thing
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:00:15 -0700
From: Kenneth Spence kespence@...
Is there any reason why the following would not work. The Time
related field at the end doesn't seem to do anything. Order is the
same with or without it. I have a relation between the Tables but it
is not Automatic so that is why I am using SET AUTOMATIC RELATIONS.
SET AUTOMATIC RELATIONS(True;False)
ORDER BY([Payment to Loans];[Clients]Full_Name;>;[Payment to Loans]
Principle Balance;>;[Payment to Loans]Paid Date;>;[Payments or
Adjustments]Pay Time;<)
SET AUTOMATIC RELATIONS(False;False)
Ken Spence
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:03:09 -0800
From: "Lee Hinde" leearchive@...
c6643ba70712011303y51d3ea4fgdb574a231c837b3@...
On Dec 1, 2007 10:22 AM, Pat Bensky pbensky@... wrote:
The title says it ... the wizard's hat icon is absent and the only option
seems to be to create a blank form. I can't find any mention of this in the
update manual and there is no updated design reference, Where the Form
Properties "I" button used to be there is now a cog-like icon, which doesn't
seem to do anything.
What's the deal?
On the Mac, there's a little 'gear' pop-up next to the delete/minus
button. Clicking it gives you the wizard option.
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:27:40 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Perkins" bperkins@...
Thanks but that won't help here. Keep-It-Up, which is installed on the
machine in question, basically does the same thing for the Mac that Jens'
utility does on Windows.
best,
Brad
Arnaud de Montard wrote:
Le 1 d?©c. 07 ?? 16:13, Brad Perkins a ?©crit :
> I asked a similar question back in 2005, but never got an answer.
>
> 4D Client 2003.7 running in Mac OS 10.4.10 Server
> This instance runs unattended.
> On rare occasions it will encounter a problem, quit and a utility,
> Keep-it-up, will restart it by opening a path file.
> On ever rarer occasions (like last night) 4D will hang at a -10002
> error and Keep-it-up won't restart it.
>
> Way back in the OS 9 days there was a utility called "Okey Dokey"
> that would auto-dismiss dialogs. Does anything similar exist for OS
> X? Google, and this list's archives don't show anything notable.
>
> If it doesn't is there something I can set in 4D to make it quit if
> the dialog hasn't been dismissed in N minutes?
maybe watchdog:
http://www.algonet.se/~blomster/watchdog.zip>
windows only...
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:43:28 -0500
From: Adrian Humphreys adrianh@...
Photoshop Elements 4 has a command, "Divide Scanned Photos", that
might work for you.
It expects rectangular images though, so you might have to use a large
black background and put each shard on its own white card on the black
background.
Adrian Humphreys
Telamon Technologies Inc., POB 396, Rockport, ME 04856
207-763-4691 http://www.telamontech.com
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On Dec 1, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
I am looking for a means to to programatically
isolate each fragment (all are sitting on a white
background) and create a jpeg automatically of each in
their own database record.****************************************
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Adrian Humphreys (12/1/07 5:43 PM)
Photoshop Elements 4 has a command, "Divide Scanned Photos", that
might work for you.
It expects rectangular images though, so you might have to use a large
black background and put each shard on its own white card on the black
background.
Adrian Humphreys
Telamon Technologies Inc., POB 396, Rockport, ME 04856
207-763-4691 http://www.telamontech.com
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On Dec 1, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
I am looking for a means to to programatically
isolate each fragment (all are sitting on a white
background) and create a jpeg automatically of each in
their own database record.****************************************
4D, Inc. (12/3/07 9:32 AM)
HI Dan,
I'll look into the 404 issue. Stay tuned.
Thanks,
Jason
Dan Pride wrote:
AAAAArrrrgh !
Looks like the perfect solution from the summary but I
get a 404 page not found when I go for the tech note.
Is there anyway to get the old articles?
I sure hope they address the 4d Draw issue quick, its
a fundamental capability that is needed for many.
Dan Pride
--- Jim Rietz jrietz@... wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
>
>> Any ideas or suggestions appreciated
> First and most important, you need a light box
> which will light the
> area better to provide more accurate object color
> and a constant white
> background.
>
> If I recall correctly, when 4D Draw was released
> there was a demo (at
> a DevCon) which found the borders of color areas on
> a picture - I
> think is was a US map. I just did a quick search in
> the Tech Notes and
> found the following:
>
> 11876 7/1/1999 4D Draw Building Interactive
> Graphic Interfaces
> with 4D Draw, Part 1
>
> This might get you started.
>
> Jim
>
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Chip Scheide (12/3/07 2:11 PM)
Try this application - NIH Image
http://rsb.info.nih.gov/nih-image/
it is scriptable - you should be able to launch it via applescript
you can do some amazing things with this program.
we used to use it to differentiate "spots" on xray film.
it was able to distinguish each spot on a 384 well micro plate
that is 384 spots, in an area 3" x 4".
it was able to locate, and based on contrast, "score" the spot as
1 - not there, 2 - weak, 3 - there
I have modified existing code for this application, but never wrote
anything from scratch.
contact me off list for help or a code snipit.
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:24:22 -0800 (PST), Dan Pride wrote:
I am working on an application to manage Archaeology
Digs. I need to track large volumes of broken pottery
in a rapid process ( See Example Photo
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg )
for dating etc.
I am looking for a means to to programatically
isolate each fragment (all are sitting on a white
background) and create a jpeg automatically of each in
their own database record. Thus the photo at (
http://archaeolibrary.com/Pottery.jpg ) would
instantly and without effort become 29 records in the
database each with the approprate picture and source
data.
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Jim Rietz (12/4/07 5:53 AM)
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
Looks like the perfect solution from the summary but I
get a 404 page not found when I go for the tech note.
Is there anyway to get the old articles?
Thy this link in your browser:
ftp://ftp.4d.com/ACI_TECHNICAL_NOTES/1999/MacOS/TN_1999_27-31_(JUL)>
You may get an error displaying the page - dismiss it. Click on 99-31...
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Arnaud de Montard (12/4/07 9:59 AM)
Le 4 dÈc. 07 ? 03:22, John Foster a Ècrit :
Do you remember when 4D demo'ed 4D 2004 at the Summit, years back
now, and intentionally crashed the Server?
I'm looking to do the same thing so I can demonstrate 4D's
incremental backup and loss-less data (hopefully) ability.
Does anyone know how to code 4D Server to crash on demand like they
did at the Summit? I need a reliable routine to crash the Server on
demand at the click of a button.
`doCrash
`%R-
ARRAY TEXT(anArray;1)
anArray{2}:="out of array size"
`%R+
Client crash :
doCrash
Server crash :
$lSP:=Execute on server("doCrash";32*1024)
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machine
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:53:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Achim Kruse Kruse@...
Rikard Sagn?©r wrote:
I'm trying to run more than one 4D server (2004.6r2) as a service
(local user) on the same physical server (Window 2003 Server) without
success.
The second server never get registered as a service (when using
"Register database as service" from the menu.) and the first server
becomes unregistered after this. I have duplicated the 4D Server
application and renamed the copy (4DserverTest.exe). Both servers run
without problem one by one. It also works to run one server as a
service and the other one as a regular app.
Anyone done this before?
Rikard,
we do this successfully, although on Windows2000 and with 4D2003. The trick
is to rename the structure file: You can't have two services running a
structure named test.4DC. (The service gets its name automatically like
"4DServer: "+structure name> and you can't have two services with the same
name.)
HTH
Achim Kruse
atacama Software, Bremen, Germany
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:19:26 +0000
From: Scott Moxham scott@...
On 4 Dec 2007, at 07:48, Patrick Poetschke wrote:
Pulling the plug isn't a good idea because the integrity of the os
could be
destroyed. Better use task manager under windows or the quit now
function
under macos to force quit 4D.
Best
Patrick Poetschke
Quantus GmbH
If using the task manager under windows to simulate a crash make sure
you use the "Processes" tab and not the "Applications". On the
applications tab it "asks" the application to shut down and then if
it doesn't respond quick enough kills it. The processes tab skips the
first step and just kills the application without any warning.
Scott
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:51:07 +1300
From: "Owen Watson" o.m.watson@...
23b8d990712040251y1ee5b17dpabff4bcf2f9cb87@...
What would you be more convinced by: a programmer-induced crash of
their own devising, or a plug-pull?
> Pulling the plug isn't a good idea because the integrity of the os
> could be
> destroyed. Better use task manager under windows or the quit now
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:53:45 -0500
From: Jim Rietz jrietz@...
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
Looks like the perfect solution from the summary but I
get a 404 page not found when I go for the tech note.
Is there anyway to get the old articles?
Thy this link in your browser:
ftp://ftp.4d.com/ACI_TECHNICAL_NOTES/1999/MacOS/TN_1999_27-31_(JUL)>
You may get an error displaying the page - dismiss it. Click on 99-31...
Jim
Life:Included
Rietz Enterprises
(352) 350 7242 FL
(630) 910-7075 IL
mailto:jrietz@...
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machine
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:39:17 +0100
From: Rikard Sagn?r rikard@...
Actually the structure files do not have the same name since it is two
different applications.
Any other ideas?
Best,
Rikard
4 dec 2007 kl. 10.53 skrev Achim Kruse:
Rikard SagnÈr wrote:
>
> I'm trying to run more than one 4D server (2004.6r2) as a service
> (local user) on the same physical server (Window 2003 Server) without
> success.
>
> The second server never get registered as a service (when using
> "Register database as service" from the menu.) and the first server
> becomes unregistered after this. I have duplicated the 4D Server
> application and renamed the copy (4DserverTest.exe). Both servers run
> without problem one by one. It also works to run one server as a
> service and the other one as a regular app.
>
> Anyone done this before?
>
Rikard,
we do this successfully, although on Windows2000 and with 4D2003.
The trick
is to rename the structure file: You can't have two services running a
structure named test.4DC. (The service gets its name automatically
like
"4DServer: "+structure name> and you can't have two services with
the same
name.)
HTH
Achim Kruse
atacama Software, Bremen, Germany
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:47:31 -0600
From: Tony Ringsmuth tony01@...
Rikard ,
I do this very successfully.
You aren't by any chance trying to share the same 4D executable are you?
As Achim mentioned, you will need differently named "{MyStructure}.4DC" (or
.4DB) files for each database.
I also recommend separate 4D Server executables. I re-name my 4D Server.exe
to "4D Server_{MyAppName}.exe" so that I can distinguish them in the task
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On 12/4/07 2:32 AM, "Rikard SagnÈr" rikard@... wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to run more than one 4D server (2004.6r2) as a service
(local user) on the same physical server (Window 2003 Server) without
success.
The second server never get registered as a service (when using
"Register database as service" from the menu.) and the first server
becomes unregistered after this. I have duplicated the 4D Server
application and renamed the copy (4DserverTest.exe). Both servers run
without problem one by one. It also works to run one server as a
service and the other one as a regular app.
Anyone done this before?
Best,
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:06:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Pride danielpride@...
Got it.
Thanks
Dan
--- Jim Rietz jrietz@... wrote:
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Dan Pride wrote:
> Looks like the perfect solution from the summary
but I
> get a 404 page not found when I go for the tech
note.
> Is there anyway to get the old articles?
Thy this link in your browser:
ftp://ftp.4d.com/ACI_TECHNICAL_NOTES/1999/MacOS/TN_1999_27-31_(JUL)>
You may get an error displaying the page - dismiss
it. Click on 99-31...
Jim
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